well it seems the board is basically dead. the game is only a few short years behind DNF legacy development cycle of epicness and that game did ironically suck to no end.
and your latest email news letter even mentioning gender limits as a possiblity? is this game officially going to death row now?
i sincerely ask as i have before is this game going to ya know come out ever? a demo please? a playable demo? enough bug fixing just ship the thing. its clearly apparent you will never fix every bug it wont work perfectly and quite frankly i think all of 100 people even care anymore. and by those 100 i include your family friends employees and perhaps a few devoted folks on the forums but then again the forums are considered by most definitions to be dead.
i suppose let me ask this....what is stopping it from coming out in a month? well ok i might say release it januaray away from the holidays. but what is stopping that from happening? the game clearly functions to some extent. and if not the game what is stopping a demo from coming out by say 2 weeks? i really cant even fathom why a game can take 10 years of such dedicated time to do. honestly i dont know how people fund the game anymore. by most definitions this is what we call ghost ware. i once participated in such a project for years we were a dedicated hard working group. even had a functioning game but the cold hard reality and decision of the forum mods there was it was a ghost town it was a project years upon years old with no results and looking back the mods of that site did us all a huge favor by telling us like it was a ghost of a project with no hope in site. the hall mark is a ton of talk and little to no results and a bunch of guys getting together with no freakin experience whatsoever and no actual plan. now this can work but if after a year it doesnt produce ya know any progress then we have entered the world of ghost ware. i even started a ghost ware project myself because i too wanted to make my own game and much like you guys a group of us got together attempted it failed miserably and fortunently we all realized it was a hopeless pipedream because of lack of experience and a general lack of direction and it really looks like this is 9 or 10 years of just that.
i think if this cant produce a playable demo in a month....sincerely relook at your priorities as this game is clearly never seeing the light of day i think obama will be out of office if he is re-elected(God i hope not) in 2016 and this game wont be out still.
and even IF it comes out.....who cares anymore? your an indie studio that took a decade or more to make one game to a niche audience half of which wouldnt care to begin with and the other half that would care left the land of wrestling ages ago.
look if i sound mad perhaps someone needs to yell. clearly you are not getting it. there is no way this game can top no mercy, DOR, and fire pro which is what it would need to do to recoop losses at this point. release it and start over. or change careers. not sure which. either way im shocked your finance backers arent screaming at you. if i was those guys heres what i'd do. i'd say get it release by feb away from the holiday season or you get no more money from me ever and oh yea you owe me everything i invested into this too for failing to live up to your end of the contract. i know what you would do by feb this would be out and working quite well actually and i say quite well because i think somewhere you are passionate enough to design a great wrestling game. but unfortunently you probably wont unless someone which sadly i cant be that guy wont yell at you.
so dave get it done by FEB i want this out. if that cant be done i seriously have to ask why. ive seen bigger budgets release worse crap than what this looks like it plays as and make their money back. so surely you can do it. FEB dave. FEB. make it so.
Thanks for the post. Sincerely. You make a lot of good points and despite the downer tone at least you care enough to yell at me about it. And our financial backers have made their concerns known as well. I have no easy answers for you. Because I agree with you. I have no idea how many people will care about PWX when the first game is released. But that's a gamble I suppose every developer makes. Certainly the buzz has died down in terms of the original bunch of supporters and all I can hope for is there will be new people who dig what we're trying to get done.
I think part of the frustration stems from the assumption that we are still a fully funded studio full of people working full time. We are not. In the last few years we have reverted (some would say evolved) to a virtual company with remotely working guys putting in as much effort as they can afford to donate. We've got all the raw art content we need and a fantastic programmer dedicated to getting the game done. And the reality of that is that those of us left to push this game to the finish line have to do so in between the usual life challenges; parenting, other jobs, mentally ill family, exploding water heaters, etc.
Because our original plan and hopes did not pan out is no reason to quit. It may very well fit the definition of a ghost project at this point but those of us involved are in agreement that what we have to finish is far more valuable and real than any option of starting over. We'll show you. You'll see ;)
I have been following PWX now for several years. I don't know if you remember or not Dave, but I emailed you several years ago excited about the new roster addition of a wrestler named Dane, since that is my name :D
Anyway, I'm still following PWX, and I will keep following and supporting. Don't give up, you and your team (although quite small now) are doing great.
Think I signed up for the newsletter, hell, must have been in '04 or so....Pre-ordered during the initial fund-raising drive (Still have my e-mail receipt for the $10...ocd? A bit...) May not hang around the boards dissecting the finer points of wrasslin' titles as I once did, but I'm equally excited, now as then, to see this puppy get its' just desserts.
Don't abandon a dream...remember, the one's telling you you're crazy for having the audacity to pull this off are only the ones watching and judging, not the ones doing...keep at it, brother.
@oneway: thank you so much for your pre order and for still hanging around. Your final words of encouragement were very inspiring and I will share them with the crew. Thanks again!
RAVEN!!!!!! Good to hear from you again old man! How the hell you been? Give us an update. Last we spoke you were tinkering with a writing project. And you pre ordered everything. And even if you didn't I'm giving it all to you anyway.
Well I'm on Social Security Disability and was diagnosed as Asperger's Autistic. I've been doing well with the writing, but have had tendinitis in my forearms and joint pain in my fingers. Overall I'm doing pretty good. Out of the pain meds, though. Makes it impossible to do much writing.
Still, I'm pretty happy with where things are at the moment, considering I can pay 1/3 of the household expenses and get the $700 a month ftom Social Security Disability.
Have dropped 30 pounds as well, likely due to my new puppy. Who is a little chewmonster. She's at that stage where everything that isn't nailed down, and some of it that is, is a chew toy.
Nostalgia must be in the air! I just stopped by to see what was up, glad to see some old screen names.
Raven, congrats on the new puppy and good job on the weight loss. Really sorry to hear about the joint pain, but good luck on the writing. Im sure you will be just as awesome with the Aspergers diagnosis as you were without it :)
Action, good to see ya.
Dave, glad your still doing what you want to do. You set out to do something very, very cool, and that counts for a lot in my book.
Dave, you rock. Going for your dream in the face of such adversity is the stuff that MEN are made of. I not only look forward to the game...I look forward to the possible book you once hinted at writing way way way back. Yes...I think you SHOULD write it.
Oh and Raven: Congrats on the weight loss. I'm still fighting for my disability from Social Security, but I get disability from the V.A. at least. I know what you mean about pain meds making it tough on writing, or doing much of anything as I have also been living that life for several years now.
Raven! Punk! PUNK!!! Monitor!! It gives me all sorts of warm fuzzies to see all those names on my screen again.
Raven, you'll overcome whatever shitty speed bump got dumped in your way. I know you've done well for yourself through some already less than ideal circumstances. Please keep writing and sharing it with us. PWX without you as the poetry contest winner? Not a memory I would lose for any amount of money.
Punk, Punk, Punk. Swear to god I was thinking about you the other day. So much stuff you tried to contribute back in the day before we were ready. A lot of your ideas are still beyond what we could use today but I'd love to chat with you again even to just shoot the shit. Are you on Skype?
Monitor, thanks so much for the kind words considering I know how incredibly frustrated you must be waiting and waiting to play the game and help out. What you and I have been discussing via email lately is still very much a secret though ;)
Action! Dave! This sounds like man-crush ass kissing but I tell everyone who asks that if they want an example of how to launch a wrestling game franchise that could actually be a viable business YOU are the man I look up to. The evolution of your wrestling game development is a long list of right decisions.
It's truly been a pleasure to keep PWX going. I'm a lucky guy to be given the job.
Dave, like many of us here I really did find joy in this little project of yours. The day dreaming, the boards, trying to drive you people crazy, it was good times. You know, when you get past the business stuff you set out to make a game. Games can get people excited, they can inspire the imagination, they can bring people together and they can be a ton of fun. Your game did all of that, and it a great job. Its really something to be proud of. Id love to hear from you, but I have yet to try and set up Skype, just haven't had a reason. Still, feel free to email me the new one is magicchessboard@gmail.com