So here is my idea like WWE has Hell in a Cell , CZW has the cage of death, FMW some sort of exploding match and TNA has the Ultimate X maybe PWX could have some unique original gimmick match!!! nothing very elaborate just something simple that isn't that hard to program something hardcore like that ring in the latest pics with some scaffold that you could climb and around the ring at the level of the ringmat on the outside would be a barbwire mat or something like that i dunno just giving ideas this could be a selling point for PWX i just think that an original match would be a good idea so if someone has any good ideas please expose them and lets hope they get considered.
Honestly I would wait for the expansion packs (assuming they do them) for these. As per a good Gimmick match... I can't really think of many. I am a lover of the Ladder Match and other things similar.
How about a Rooftop match. It's a cage roof with no sides and instaled ladders on the post of the cage inside and out so jump on people. It's as wide as a elimation chamber so that means you can be thrown on to the stage like Kayon was at the triple cage match. The ring would look like it's a island in the middle and when your on top of the cage you can slam them throw any part of the cage. This can be put in the expansion pack.
[quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite]Barbed Wire Cage Ladder match, there is Barbed wire inplace of the Steel... the only way to get out is to climb the ladder and then jump over the barbed wire. Would set-up cool spots, like having the ladder knocked into the wire.[/quote]
Well so you would have to kill yourself to win the match then? kinda dumb cause the point of the match should be inflict pain on your opponent and not on yourself.
I'm currently trying to come up with some ideas that could be easy to implement in the game but damn i'm not inspired if i think of something i'll post it.
[quote][cite] DDemonX:[/cite][quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite]Barbed Wire Cage Ladder match, there is Barbed wire inplace of the Steel... the only way to get out is to climb the ladder and then jump over the barbed wire. Would set-up cool spots, like having the ladder knocked into the wire.[/quote]
Well so you would have to kill yourself to win the match then? kinda dumb cause the point of the match should be inflict pain on your opponent and not on yourself.
I'm currently trying to come up with some ideas that could be easy to implement in the game but damn i'm not inspired if i think of something i'll post it.[/quote]
[quote][cite] MG:[/cite][quote][cite] DDemonX:[/cite][quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite]Barbed Wire Cage Ladder match, there is Barbed wire inplace of the Steel... the only way to get out is to climb the ladder and then jump over the barbed wire. Would set-up cool spots, like having the ladder knocked into the wire.[/quote]
Well so you would have to kill yourself to win the match then? kinda dumb cause the point of the match should be inflict pain on your opponent and not on yourself.
I'm currently trying to come up with some ideas that could be easy to implement in the game but damn i'm not inspired if i think of something i'll post it.[/quote]
Look at my roof top match[/quote]
Yeah yours could work but it needs something more extreme like barbedwire or something electrified and wouldn't that look kinda dull? i mean one big roof top around the ring... not trying to diss on other people's ideas i'm just trying to be inovative and get a cool result not something half assed cause if it's not going to be something really cool might aswell not make it into the game if it's going to take precious resourses.
[quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite]the only way to get out is to climb the ladder and then jump over the barbed wire[/quote] And land where? I think this is where he is talking about killing yourself to win.
Agreed I think over the top violence will hurt sales as some stores may not want to carry it. Pro Wrestling has a large black eye right now and feeding the beast may not be the most brilliant idea.
[quote][cite] mifin:[/cite]If theres a barbed wire ring whats so different from a barbed wire cage? It's not that much more brutal...[/quote]
steal and barbwire hitting fleash now thats ruff. Watch sandman versus raven in barbwire match. The barbwire fell off in that match. In the steal cage barbwire you can't knock it down.
[quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite]I already mentioned an idea to dave that he liked... tag-team referee shirt dangling from the rafters, whoever climbs the ladder to get it is the ref, but the shirt can be knocked off and worn by someone else.[/quote]
Yeah i like that a lot but i was thinking that the gimmick match would be something that would define PWX like the other matches that i mentioned in the first post define they're feds do we really want the tag-team referee shirt dangling from the rafters to define PWX? i'm not saying it shouldn't be included down the road but i'm not really feeling that.
As for the bullrope match i think it would be pretty difficult for the programming department and i also have no idea how that could work on a videogame.
Just rip off the old stable matches from Attitude, where you have a fatal 4-way, but in teams of 4 so when one gets eliminated the next runs down. They were ace.
Chamber of Horrors The Chamber of Horrors match occurred once, at the 1991 Halloween Havoc. Its competitors were two teams of four wrestlers. The match takes place in a Thundercage which contains a smaller cage in the center of the ring with the "Chair of Torture" (electric chair) in it. In order to win the match, a wrestler has to pull a lever located on the cage wall (the terminator), while an opposing wrestler is in the "Chair of Torture". As a result, the match ends with the wrestler in the "Chair of Torture" being 'shocked'.
Thunderdome Thunderdome is a variation on the Thundercage, with the area near the top of the cage electrified. The only way for a wrestler to win the Thunderdome match is to have their opponents "terminator", usually a manager who stands outside of the ring, throw in the towel to stop the match.
In another variation of this match, each pinned competitor in the match is handcuffed to the cage.[80] The last man left in the match is given a key to unlock his teammates to attack the other team, who are still handcuffed.
[edit] Triple Cage match A Triple Cage match involves three cages stacked on top of each other, with each cage decreasing in size from the bottom up.
Two variations exist, in one competitors begin in the ring inside the lowest cage and must make their way to the roof of the third cage where an object is suspended, with the winner being the first competitor to obtain the object.[81] The other, dubbed the Tower of Doom match had two teams of five make their way down from the uppermost cage to the bottom, with victory achieved when all five members of a team escaped a door there. The cages were cut off from each other, with doors controlled from outside by referees, who would only open them for two-minute intervals.
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Doomsday Cage match Also called a Tower of Doom, this match involves a three-story cage on top of a ring. A team of two wrestlers start from the top story and fight their way to the bottom against a team of eight wrestlers. Victory is attained by scoring a pinfall in the bottom cage. The most notable match of this type occurred at WCW's Uncensored event in 1996, when Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage fought Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Meng, The Barbarian, Lex Luger, Kevin Sullivan, Z-Gangsta, and The Ultimate Solution.
Empty Arena match An Empty Arena match is a hardcore match between two or more wrestlers which takes place in an arena empty of fans. The only people present are the competitors, referee, and camera person(s). The match is broadcast, or video taped and played later. Due to the expense of these matches -- the cost of renting an entire arena and not selling tickets -- these matches are extremely rare.
Circle of Fear. is a generic term for any match where the mats covering the arena floor around the ring are removed and replaced with boards covered with barbed wire.
This match was (arguably) first used in the finals of the Big Japan Pro Wrestling (BJPW) Deathmatch tournament on May 4, 2001, when John Zandig versus Kintaro Kanemura was to be fought with these stipulations.
Empty Arena could be very cool if the Arena is huge and we can fight all up and down in it, up to the rafters, in the bathrooms etc. But that would take a long time to model
Wow, Vince Russo couldn't have better ideas thanyou guys! Okay, honestly, a "PWX Rules Match" would be really cool, but nothing of the things mentioned above... I must admit that I'm a huge deathmatch fan, but the worst deathmatches are ALWAYS those with overpowered gimmicks. Or what do you think why XPW is now defunct? A normal non-gimmick deathmatch like MASADA vs Necro Butcher at IWA/ACW Bloody Sunday is always great to see, but a 666 Lighttubes & Razor Wire Ropes Pit of Scorpions, Leeches and Burning Teddy Bears Exploding Dog-Sh&%/$t Cactus in the Corner Electrified Pool Timebomb Deathmatch is in most cases bad. Same goes for video games. I like Wrestling Encore for having so many hardcore-options, but mostly I select all the weapons to start outside of the ring. So what should PWX have? I'd say a good old PWX Tag-Rules match were everytime somebody get's slammed to the mat it count's as tag, which would mean an incredible fast change of wrestler in extremely short time, kinda like Lucha Libre Tag Rules. Would be a bunch of fun. Remember, non-deathmatches can also be fun, too ;)
Well I'd say after getting into it and starting a career it get's extremely ADDICTIVE. The weapons and the fire and the balcony dives and whatever are really, really nice features, but I could live without it. I wouldn't compare it to World of Warcraft, but it IS addictive after playing it for a while. Hardcore-Options ALWAYS get boring after you've played them 20 times or something, that goes for each kind of video games, whatever if it's Smackdown, No Mercy, Fire Pro or Wrestling Encore. A good wrestling game stands on a gameplay that stays interesting for months (Fire Pro, No Mercy) or a CAW-mode or a long-time-taking, addictive career mode (Encore), but not on it's hardcore options. They're fun for a while, but that while isn't that long...
I guess we're fortunate in a way that any hardcore in the first PWX will be pretty minimal so we really shouldn't be at risk of getting pigeon holed as a garbage wrestling game. But the question still remains, what can PWX do that truly hasn't been done before that wouldn't get boring?
-1 to 10 rope breaks in a match -Submission only -MMA style fight(Punches, kicks, STO, powerbombs, bodyslams and submissions only) -Boxing (punching only) -2 out of 3 -Kickboxing(kickonly) -Pure Rules -KO only -KO or Submission -Hard 10 to 15(first 10 to 15 weapon shot wins) -Finsher only -NO DQ(duh) -LumberJack and Lumberjack submisssion -First to Bodyslam win(like Ledgens of Wrestling 2) -First Blood -I quit -Gaunlet match
Battle Royal Customize
-Submission -Pin only -KO -Hardten -First Blood -Caged -Ironman(man with the most wins win) -KO or Submission -Finsher
If a lumberjack match could be done properly, thats not the worst idea I've ever heard. (of course the lumberjacks should be on fire covered in thumbtacks laying on tables. but that goes without saying. LOL)
"I'd say a good old PWX Tag-Rules match were everytime somebody get's slammed to the mat it count's as tag, which would mean an incredible fast change of wrestler in extremely short time, kinda like Lucha Libre Tag Rules. Would be a bunch of fun."
I'm still for that idea. That was NEVER seen in a wrestling game before (while even Triple Tier Cage Matches where hacked for No Mercy) and I think it would be a bunch of fun. And deathmatches are for the deathmatch expansion pack, we'll get a No Ropes Barbed-Wire Deathmatch with lighttubes and barbedwire-boards and that's already more than any Smackdown-play will ever get. I like fast-matches, so what would be better than that?!
Dave is right about the "stand out and not boreing" question still remaining. I know this sounds like a broken record by now but I agree about the good game play. I mean i can go back and play No Mercy now and still have fun with it. With the graghic capablilty that is out there now added with that old school gameplay your looking at an excellent game. I think that if you guys really try to sell this "awsome gameplay" gimmick you will start to get peoples attention. you need to try to get the PWX name out there other than word of mouth though