As we learn more about the upcoming TNA game the question has been raised, "What makes for a better wrestling game, a smaller roster with deep and varied move sets or a larger roster with less move variety?"

Agreed. I don't care WHAT characters you have...if the moves aren't good, I'm not playing your game!

Gameplay, above all else. More doesn't mean better. Less is more. Look what happened to Chrono Cross. There were so many characters in that game, it watered down the core gameplay and made the game suck (mind you, it had a lot going against it to begin with but that's a different issue).

I don't agree with mattrison's idea of downloadable moves, or an oversized roster as a selling point. (logistically, market-wise, cost-wise and from a game design point of view) It's far better to have downloadable characters instead. Also, the era of downloadable content is not necessarily a good thing - it's encouraging companies to get lazy and provide less content on point of sale, making customers wait for content, which they have to again shell out more money for, and worry that it could also potentially be system exclusive content.

Enough characters with all the moves is exactly what I want...

The Characters Doesn't matter that much to me but the CAW Mode does, I would like to edit and clone the wrestlers and make my own wrestler look as real as the other wrestlers do.
That's hard to find in a wrestling game just look at WWF No Mercy you can do that.

Game play has to be easy i'm sick of Smackdown vs Raw control's one button to run and the rest to do moves I hate when you have to grapple first then hit up or down then a button,
make the controls so you can perform a move with out going into a grapple that will be good.

But every game should have is speed and variety of matches and weaponds not like a hammer or a fork or a screw driver but like a baseball bat, steel chair, Barbed wire bat, things you will see in a hardcore match.

Dave I will buy your game I support you and your team for making your very own game. One last thing please let us be able to edit the game and be able to make mods Thanks.

Yeah we can do that but at this point you would still see the grapple initiate animation. It would work just like Day of Reckoning weak grapple moves.

So deeper move sets, less characters. Gotcha...

[quote][cite] mattrison:[/cite]With the new focus on downloadable content, there is no reason why a game can't be released with a near oversized roster as a selling point, especially if they have a presence in the wrestling community, and then have downloadable moves available (either for free or a small fee) for customizing move sets. I mean, if a game came with only basic movesets for every wrestler, the game is playable. But for players that prefer to make CAWs, the extra download for moves would be worth it to better roundout their ideal move set for their created wrestler.

Same thing can be done with match types, costumes, arenas, wrestler images and AI updates to improve the replayability of the game as wrestlers will change their style and order of execution of moves.

So in a sense, there is nothing you can do and be totally wrong. The main thing is to do what will get the initial sell and make it playable and somewhat intriguing. Then you can come back later, reliant on user feedback, and deliver on what is missing to fill out the gaming experience to meet most, if not all expectations.

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You understand that you are on a board full of people who haven't moved on past PS2, right? I agree that downloadable content is completely where it is at. If there was actually a wrestling game that every once in a while would add a new character or the developers would update the current roster's movesets, appearance, music, etc. it would rule. These licensed games especially, it would give them some more life as opposed to how they are now. I'll play the newest SD! game for about 2 weeks and then get tired of it. With the possibility of say a Smackdown game where they keep upgrading it, wel, that would be great.

I thought PWX was going 360 in it's final release

[quote][cite] spudz:[/cite]I think Dave considers this, he didn't say "We are porting it!"[/quote]
or did he?

[quote][cite] PWX_Dave:[/cite]Yeah we can do that but at this point you would still see the grapple initiate animation. It would work just like Day of Reckoning weak grapple moves.

So deeper move sets, less characters. Gotcha...[/quote]

Actually I hope you implement it. I look forward to the AKi grappling system out of all the grappling systems out there. I think it's wonderful & extremely easy to pick up & play. I've never enjoyed a better grappling system in a wrestling game than Aki's.

I'm always on the fence on this one. I think you need both. Here's why.

I've played fighting games with great gameplay, but i didnt care about any of the characters. So i never was motivated to learn anybody.

I've also played wrestling games with ok gameplay, but like SVR, I like about 5% of the roster. I just don't care about any of the character. probably why i stopped watching wrestling.

Now in my opinion, nothing beats LOW:showdown as far as roster goes. but the game play was horrid. Although I almost found myself trying to play LOW and liking the gameplay.

I know gameplay comes first. but ultimately I think both are very important. for wrestling games.

Large moveset, definitely. We can make our own new characters all day long, new moves aren't as easy.