We started the conversation in another topic, but I wanted to continue now that I finished the book.
In short, this book will soften even the hardest wrestling fan to the sick and depravity that the industry not only supports but enforces.
The primary source through the book is Chris Benoit beginning with his start in the Hart dungeon and going all the way until his murder-suicide. The book includes some of the most depraved first hand accounts I have ever heard such as Arn Anderson fooling models into sleep with him and Raven remaining high on ecstasy for 14 days straight. With a few stories of the actual politics in WCW that drove it into the ground and the madness of Vince McMahon, it's pretty interesting as an insight into the horrible professional wrestling industry.
Benoit is shown in a much more honest and frank light - calling him directly "A baby-murdering junkie" for one - and it shows that while he was totally responsible for the descent that lead to him to methodically murder his wife and son, the wrestling industry helped validate it.
My one major complaint with the book, outside of the horrible editing work on it missing so many horrible spelling and grammatical errors, is the obviously biased slant he takes that borders on muckraking. His stories and testimonials can be validated with a good search online, but I feel that had he held back his opinion so much, the book could be taken a lot more seriously.
In the end, it's a stunning and tragic tale that seemed almost inevitable.
Anyone read it or plan to read it? Personally, I stopped watching pro wrestling officially the Tuesday after Benoit died. I had been watching it sparingly in recent years, catching maybe a match or two here and there, ordering the ECW pay-per-view when it first started back, then watching a year later as the first episode of ECW was just a poor bastardization, but after watching WWE glorify a child-murderer then pretend it didn't happen and he didn't exist the next night, was deplorable especially with the Death of McMahon angle taking place almost two weeks prior. The book mentions that that Death of McMahon angle proves that WWE's tribute shows are just manufactured blame passing pieces. Even before then, I just felt that they should have canceled Raw.
Obviously I'm a staunch supporter of the book. Randazzo is a guy with deep connections inside of the industry, as far as people inside WWE were begging him to come work for WWE's creative team. The book is without a doubt laden with his opinions, but it doesn't bother me, as I wasn't looking for an objective recollection of Benoit. Plus, I feel that in wrestling especially, you don't get that sort of view, most wrestling books are written by either wrestlers or people that have their heads so far up their asses and are so concerned with being a part of 'da biz' and protecting their sources that they will essentially condemn the industry and then quickly turn right back around and start talking about how great it is.
Randazzo is a huge fan, so the general tone and so on is coming from a disenfranchised fan who understands exactly how sick pro wrestling is, would really love to see it 'reformed' but understands that really, there is no hope.
There are some things in here, like the Dave Lagana stuff that have never really surfaced to the public beyond whispers that were quickly shot down. This book is a very, very big deal in WWE HQ right now, to the point where Vince has reached one of his obsessions over it, to where, at least for the past few weeks, it has dominated the discussion at the booking meetings, much like any big story in the Observer gets. With Meltzer doing a long review when only halfway through, allowing Randazzo to have a letter in the next week's and Meltz planning on having a rebuttal to the rebuttal, this book is going to be a pain in their ass for quite a while. There is even word that part of Vince's rant when he announced the give-away contest a few weeks ago, parts were aimed at Randazzo and other people writing Benoit books like Irv M. and so on, the whole, "the elitists look down upon us, upon you, up everybody in the back" shit.
Really, I think that this is the best pro wrestling book that you can find, you just have to be able to handle it. I've found the reactions to be hilarious and also sort of sad. People who are still delusional over what pro wrestling are get very defensive, as do people 'in da biz.' You won't hear people denying any of it, just pulling the, 'who are you to judge?' stuff.
Really, for a book that was a complete rush job (he had only a few months to write this, as his publisher wanted to rush it out before anything else of substance on the subject came out), the wrong edit sent to the press and with next to no marketing behind it, it has done extremely well and should hold strong for quite a while. There are parts that are cookie-cutter, like lots of the WCW stuff was in other books, but then there is a lot that is just from out of nowhere.
I'm dying to read this book but can't find anywhere. I hesitate to put forward any additional opinion on the subject until I do but until then I think it's safe to ask, can the industry be any worse than the music, television, or film industry? I'm not trying to defend or justify, just gain some perspective on just how bad a picture this book paints.
Well, it was pre-released on Amazon, I think it has a wider distribution now, as it is 'officially' released. Amazon has had it for the past 3 weeks, so it has been available at Borders, who orders through Amazon. It should be around in more places now, but Amazon is the best bet.
As for how it paints it, look at it this way, music, television and film do not require drug abuse. Do they involve drug abuse? Of course they do, but it is a choice for the artists and people involved, in pro wrestling, if you can't perform, if you don't have the look, you are done. Period. Look at it this way, the industry has, for years, I mean, before Vince's bodybuilder fetish, been all about big, freakish looking guys. The problem is, most guys have to take steroids to attain the body they need, but then are so hopped up that they can't sleep, so they have to take downers or drink to sleep. To wake up in the morning, your body is so sore that you need endless supplies of painkillers to even move, never mind work out or perform.
There is no health insurance and it is a very physical industry, but no matter what, you are expected to work. The sense of paranoia is insane, so people come back from injuries very early, take more drugs to do so, or simply work injured. There is a story of Benoit working with a shattered ankle as well as upping his drug dosage to come back from his broken neck.
One of the stories that comes to mind involves Kurt Angle, right before the Angle/Lesnar WM main event, Kurt's doctor tells him if he wrestles that match he will probably be paralyzed for the rest of his life. Kurt goes to Vince and tells him, and Vince tells him that he can "not wrestle the match" and that it was his right, but then goes on to explain that he "can wrestle the match." The implication, of course, being that if he doesn't, he is through. So of course, after the match he is foaming from the mouth, has to be helped out, and after that his arms begin their atrophying and his body decay is just through the roof, as is his painkiller usage to keep himself moving.
One of the SoCal favorites, Hardcore Kid (can't remember his name) was in WWE for a short while, and broke an unwritten code by going to the staff trainers and chiropractors to help him out, Michael Hayes saw this, flipped out, told Vince, and he was let go for being a "pussy" and going to the doctors. The only people that use them are the untouchables like Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, etc.
Basically, the fall of the regional promoting style and the whole national touring circus has created an unlivable atmosphere that is conducive to massive substance abuse and lots of mental trauma. At least guys could have a steady home, have family lives and have some sort of stability, as opposed to traveling 300 days a year like they are now.
I am not put off because I'm not making them take drugs and act dreadfully. I've never walked out of a film because the actors are drug users or horrible people. However, It does piss me off that North American wrestling is far sleazier than it needs to be. However, I went and saw Pro Wrestling NOAH live on Saturday and it's made me excited to be a wrestling fan again.
The book sounds like it's full of interesting 'facts' but sounds poorly written which I'd find distracting. Worth a read though.
[quote][cite] spudz:[/cite]Gladly! So how long do I wait for this book to ship to Bulgaria?[/quote]
Matt is a reasonable guy, http://matthewrandazzo.com/store.htm go there and e-mail him if you want a copy. Explain your situation and I'm sure he'll be more than happy than to help.
[quote][cite] Spunk:[/cite][quote][cite] spudz:[/cite]Gladly! So how long do I wait for this book to ship to Bulgaria?[/quote]
Matt is a reasonable guy, http://matthewrandazzo.com/store.htm go there and e-mail him if you want a copy. Explain your situation and I'm sure he'll be more than happy than to help.[/quote] You are such a dear! Thanks a bunch, darling, I will try this in the near future...
meh, did anyone really think for a moment that all wrestlers were saints? They didn't join a monastary. I'm sure the book is a good read, but if it has as bad of an editor then it's not going to be taken very well. I'm a grammar nazi personally and if it's written that badly and it still got published that's a bad sign. I think as a society we're all waiting for that next big tragic story. We sit back and say how much we abhor what happens, but let's be serious about things. What has happened in the wrestling business happens everyday in every occupation. These are grown men and women who make their own choices. They are no different than anyone us and for fans to fault them for being human isn't exactly fair.
However, I'm apathetic to those that choose the career and dont stand up for themselves or put themselves in the situations. You don't like how the WWE is run, don't go there. Simple as that. I try not to pass judgement on what people do though. Noone knows what a person goes through until they're in their shoes.
I'm not going to get started on your logic, because I could go on for quite a while. The point is that wrestling as an industry forced performers as well as influenced them to do stupid things. It ropes them in by enamoring them, and then saying, "well, if you really want to do it, you have to play ball."
As for the editing situation, it was the publisher's fault. There is a complete, edited version, they simply were not diligent in checking which file they sent to press, sadly.
It raises an interesting question. How many pro wrestlers made it to the top of the industry without resorting to performance enhancing drugs (allegedly at least) or spots any more dangerous than a piledriver?
Wow. That is, uh, really hard. I mean, when even Bret Hart was on stuff, you know it is going to be very, very hard to dig up somebody clean within the past 30 years, at least.
Honky Tonk is a possibility. Although he had some rather bloody feuds in Memphis which got him to the WWF.
You'll definately have to go back to the 70's at least....although even then finding someone with no spots more dangerous than a piledriver is gonna be hard. (Remember that was the era of blood and guts....I think ANY spot that you blade is more dangerous than a piledriver spot)
If you take that out of the equation, I think Mick Foley was probably one of the non-performance enhancing performers. (He never had a look that required those type of drugs...now PAIN PILLS on the other hand...)
Yeah but there you go. Foley had to lose and ear and survive a leap from the Cell to attain any real status. But our inability to produce even a short list seems to prove that talent and charisma will never get you to the top. Come on, can't anybody prove that statement wrong?!
Sting......uh no sorry. I'm sure at least when he was with PowerTeam USA he was on the juice. And then some of his matches vs Vader....some BRUTAL spots in that.
DiBiase? Hard to say.....he was never a big muscle head...so juice is probably not a factor. Although he was a major coke head by his own admission. He did some brutal stuff in UWF and Japan to get noticed by the WWF.
How about: Michael P.S. Hayes (His partying was NOT enhancement drugs) Greg Gagne (Granted he owes it more to his Dad than his actual talent)
Honky Tonk did. He also had a really bad coke and pain pills problem.
Sting really, really did. Back when he was with the Ultimate Warrior in their 'Blade Runners' tag team they were universally spited as being green, roided up rookies that were rushed into wrestling because of their bodies.
You have to take into account that they did not become illegal until I believe 1990 or so, they were simply "questionable" before then. They were introduced in the 30's as a drug used by doctors to help accelerate the healing process for an injury and so on, and as early as 1937 were being used in bodybuilding. The whole myth about Hitler making "Super Soldiers" was actually factual, as he was having his doctors experiment with steroids on his soldiers and prisoners in internment camps. Steroids would make the soldiers gain muscle mass, feel less pain and become more aggressive.
So, the fact that they weren't illegal and known to help build muscle mass, I think you could keep going and going and still not find somebody who was "clean."
[quote][cite] PWX_Dave:[/cite]It raises an interesting question. How many pro wrestlers made it to the top of the industry without resorting to performance enhancing drugs (allegedly at least) or spots any more dangerous than a piledriver?[/quote]
Yokozuna is the main one that pops into my head.
Would Ric Flair be one? I don't know if he's done any performance enhancing stuff, but he certainly never looked like he did. Also, I know some people have said blading should be counted as more dangerous than a piledriver, but I disagree. If you discount every wrestler who has bladed, you're cutting out a lot of the top guys who would be on this list otherwise. In WWE, at least, only a very few people are still allowed to do the piledriver because they don't screw it up, but lots of people still blade.
You can't always visually tell if somebody is juicing or not. I mean, Jamie Noble got canned for filing a medical report from messing up a steroid injection into his ass. One look at Jamie Noble probably isn't screaming ROID ABUSER, is it?
Thinking recently maybe Cody Rhodes? (he isn't exactly huge) umm Christian? (Edge admitted to roids but CC didnt) LOL ok how about the bushwhackers? after that I am stumped.
[quote][cite] Hoop27:[/cite]Thinking recently maybe Cody Rhodes? (he isn't exactly huge) umm Christian? (Edge admitted to roids but CC didnt) LOL ok how about the bushwhackers? after that I am stumped.[/quote]
I would hardly say that Cody Rhodes is "at the top of the Industry"
The Rock? Seriously, have you seen him post-wrestling? He actually looks like a healthy man his age that is in good shape, as opposed to a freak. Wrestlers are freaks. Since when are grown men supposed to look like Triple H or John Cena? They aren't. To look like that you need to spend 8 hours a day in the gym, and even then, you can't keep that up for long. Bodybuilders don't always look incredible, they have off time in between competitions.
I didn't say Lance Storm because of the way he looks, but because he has always been so outspoken on the subject of steroids in wrestling and the damage they do. Wouldn't someone have called him out by now if he were actually using them while claiming to be the best built natural athlete?
[quote][cite] spudz:[/cite]Only a few even know what Sammartino is... Plus, it was different back then. Wrestling what it was years ago isn't what wrestling is today...[/quote] You know maybe you have something there .But quite frankly I think wrestling's the absolute same.The only thing that's changed are the fans.I mean what's changed?The storylines are the same but with different characters,the preassure on people's the same,hell even the top company hasn't changed yet.
I like The Rock !I hate that he left wrestling though.But I think in a interview once he said that he had never taken any steroids while he was wrestling :D! Does anyone believe that? Seriously?
its weird how when eddie past away they were all like "he sobered up, he never took any more drugs. Thats why WWE gave him an opportunity to become the world champ, yada yada yada" But when you read the book the writer says eddie took A LOT more steroids during that time.
[quote][cite] rennardo:[/cite]its weird how when eddie past away they were all like "he sobered up, he never took any more drugs. Thats why WWE gave him an opportunity to become the world champ, yada yada yada" But when you read the book the writer says eddie took A LOT more steroids during that time.[/quote] You know actually at the time when WWE said he stopped taking drugs he kinda got bigger and his muscles looked really weird
Oh yeah I forrgot! AAAAARRRGGGHH! ALL THIS TALK ABOUT BOOKS IS PUTTING ME IN THE ZONE ! IT'S FIVE KNUCKLE SHUFFLE TIME! BTW Can anyone remember which wrestler used to say this? Apparently not a lot of people can remember who I'm talking about
[quote][cite] Spunk:[/cite]Uh yeah, it was Ken Shamrock, also renowned steroid and pain killer abuser.[/quote] Really?What does the book say about him? He was pretty small.And didn't really have the muscles of say HHH or The Rock.
[quote][cite] Spunk:[/cite]Bodybuilders don't always look incredible, they have off time in between competitions.[/quote]
Those pro bodybuilders at the Olympia level look like puffy brick walls in the off season. True, they have their own set of drug abuse health problems, but at least they only get into contest shape a few times a year and give their bodies a bit of rest in between. Pro wrestling needs an off season. It's the only way to restore some sense of sanity. Of course, first you'd have to get every promotion to agree on a set off season. Not a small task.
Actually it really doesn't matter if the body "gets a break" in the in-between times cause once the drug is in there it starts doing it's job.So really it's pretty bad both ways