*The only choices for characters would be either HHH or John Cena... BUT we can change the color of their tights!
*You would be able to play story mode with AI, and go on Xbox Live, but you wouldn't be able to set-up a match against the CPU AI in exhibition.
*You would attack the opponent all match, but once he caught a break he would fully recharge his health causing you to have to re-damage him all over again.
*When you attack your opponent, they would jump 20 feet in the air in an attempt to dodge your attacks.
Yeah right,in the romantic movies.Quit pushing me cr*p and finnaly accept me for who I am.Either Heather falls in love with me and we live together forever in non-stop extreme nights doing what only german and french people are known to do at night or you finnaly appreciate me for who I am and GO TO THE JOE'S CRAB SHACK WITH ME! You don't love meee [goes off crying] Ok,this is going out of hand...just bring me Heather (with a flight to the finest country,you know,BULGARIA) in a king-size bed and we are even...
I don't have the money for these shenanigans. I'll take you and valdik to the crab shack, but you guys are gonna have to pay your own way, infact I'm going to need gas money.
[quote][cite] valdik:[/cite]Yo dratsab sorry man I don't know how to say this but I'VE been cheetin on you.....with....with... George whiskerbiscet Bush You ain't mad are u? :D[/quote]
As long as this means I don't have to pay for you're food anymore.
[quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite][quote][cite] valdik:[/cite]Oh well of course u have to dude I mean I ain't gonna be the one to pay for my own S*&^t right:D[/quote]
Nigga u betta get off yo affirmative action shiznit.[/quote]
[quote][cite] MG:[/cite][quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite][quote][cite] valdik:[/cite]Oh well of course u have to dude I mean I ain't gonna be the one to pay for my own S*&^t right:D[/quote]
Nigga u betta get off yo affirmative action shiznit.[/quote]
dratsab you better have alot of black friends[/quote]
Actually I do have black friends, my supposedly "racist antics" doesn't mean I'm actually that way. If I call someone a retard does that mean I hate mentally handicapped people? Affirmative action is stupid though, it's racist in itself.
I agree - except for the affirmative action bit. It's only a short term solution mind. Hopefully once Black kids get a decent number of Black role models they'll realise the different routes that are possible to them.
Did you know if a Black kid from Compton kills someone and ends up on death row his life expectancy is longer than if he was just a black kid living in Compton. That is a depressing fact. Not a particularly relevant one mind.
[quote][cite] Krow:[/cite]I agree - except for the affirmative action bit. It's only a short term solution mind. Hopefully once Black kids get a decent number of Black role models they'll realise the different routes that are possible to them.
Did you know if a Black kid from Compton kills someone and ends up on death row his life expectancy is longer than if he was just a black kid living in Compton. That is a depressing fact. Not a particularly relevant one mind.[/quote]
How is affirmative action a solution to anything? I'd like a serious debate about this, because it has nothing positive. Giving stupider black people benefits over smart white people? That's dysgenics:
Okay - the way i see it is that it shouldn't be dumb black people being given a chance over a white smart person. The way I see it is that a clever black guy who is perfectly capable of doing the job to a good standard gets the job over a white person who'd also be good at the job [maybe a bit better but not by much]. It is easy as a white man (talking about me here,not you) to think that positive discrimination (as we call it in the uk)is a negative thing, but I have had top role models in EVERY SINGLE walk of life, and not just the occasional white Chess Champion, Soccer Player or Pop Star but the majority by a long way. If Positive Discrimination helps at all to make things a little less even i think it's great. Not only does it give Black kids role models that aren't R'nB sings, Rappers or Basketball players then that's a great thing. It should boost their confidence as well as make future generations of white people used to working side by side. At the moment I'm working in a call centre and every last person there i have spoken to has said at least one thing that could be taken as racist and i've only been there 2 weeks! That kinda behaviour really fucks me off.
Hopefully P.D. will work and in a few years time it can stop because everything will be even and all employers will be non-racists (that's very wishful thinking). Hopefully soon all Black, White, Asian and MArtian children on earth will recieve a decent standard of education so people aren't at a disadvantage because of the colour of their skin or where they work. I feel P.D., at this point in time, is a sad but necessary thing. Hopefully it won't have to last long.
[one more thing on a more one-to-one note - I seem to have differing opinions to you across the board. I say this because we seem to have disagreed a fair few times since you appeared on this board. I hope you realise it isn't personal and I feel you are a good addition to the board because the board seems less dead than it was before. Sorry if i have annoyed you at any point.]
I like people that disagree with me and do it constructively, so <3.
"The way I see it is that a clever black guy who is perfectly capable of doing the job to a good standard gets the job over a white person who'd also be good at the job [maybe a bit better but not by much]."
Disagree, it still is favoring dysgenics to eugenics, which is irrational. It's still racist to give a guy of ANY skin color a position because of his skin color instead of his qualifications, no matter how small the difference is.
"Not only does it give Black kids role models that aren't R'nB sings, Rappers or Basketball players then that's a great thing."
I think it would be kind of heart breaking to find out your role models didn't actually earn their position, but got their because they have a different skin color. What kind of role model is that?
"If Positive Discrimination helps at all to make things a little less even i think it's great."
Blacks disagree with this, did you know blacks commit 50% of the crime in the US? They are involved with 90% of the rape crimes? They rape more white women than whites rape blacks and whites combined? Yet they are only about 6-10% of the population... pretty shocking. Police use this kind of data to find criminals. Yet, I've seen footage on youtube of blacks complaining that this kind of discrimination is unfair, yet this is scientific.
Also, just to let you know xenophobia is natural. People are hard-coded to be racists, and you shouldn't really hold it against them as long as they aren't violent. It's an instinct dating back thousands of years of having to defend yourself from outside tribes, etc. We carry on a lot of traits we have evolved out of needing. I would talk about this more, but I will probably go on a tangent about zionists and liberals in the media.
I disagree with that last bit. I am not even going to talk about it with you because you clearly have an opinion that is set - i hate racism and i think it is fine to hate racism. Racist people do not have to say anything. My father was held at gun point by a Kosovan (he may not have been - he was 'eastern european, most of the eastern europeans where i live are Kosovan so the likelihood is that he was) yet my father does not hate Kosovans - he isn't too keen on the ones who threatened to kill him and stole money from the shop where he worked but he doesn't hold their nationality against them.
"Disagree, it still is favoring dysgenics to eugenics, which is irrational. It's still racist to give a guy of ANY skin color a position because of his skin color instead of his qualifications, no matter how small the difference is."
I feel that for the greater good of the world and to promote fairness across the board (Black people have been repressed heavily in the past and although the law says they aren't now, they clearly are.
"I think it would be kind of heart breaking to find out your role models didn't actually earn their position, but got their because they have a different skin color. What kind of role model is that?"
Depends on how good they end up being at the job. Just because you are better qualified or do well in an interview doesn't mean you will be the best at the job. What i'm saying is the black people who have put in a lot of work often dont get what they deserve because a white guy with every single privilage in the world gets the jobs ahead of him. The black people of america and england don't have it easy, giving them a break would create a more even landscape and help to make racism less common and allow there to be black role models and white role models in all walks of life. And by role model i dont mean "WOW! Tiger Woods is amazing, i wanna be just like him!" I mean "I've always wanted to be a black weather forecaster but i've never seen one on tele so i dont think it'll ever happen" becoming "Cool! a Black weather forecaster - it's possible! I might be able to become one!"
"Blacks disagree with this, did you know blacks commit 50% of the crime in the US? They are involved with 90% of the rape crimes? They rape more white women than whites rape blacks and whites combined? Yet they are only about 6-10% of the population... pretty shocking. Police use this kind of data to find criminals. Yet, I've seen footage on youtube of blacks complaining that this kind of discrimination is unfair, yet this is scientific."
Cops should use every lead possible to solve crime because it is their job - I agree. I also have no problem believing your facts. What I do have a problem with is the areas a lot of these black kids grow up in and the complete lack of role models in their lives. If I came from the ghetto, was surrounded by gangs, went to a shitty school that taught me nothing and was full of disruptive students, recieved no help from anyone I cannot honestly say that I too wouldnt turn to crime. A LOT of money needs to be put into these areas to try and sort out the schooling and the such like. I'm no politician so I don't know how to sort out the problems within our countries really, but I believe that Black crime is high due to environmental issues as opposed to being innate.
I for one think if I were an average White British girl I'd think "I could be the Prime Minister like Maggie Thatcher was, I could be a Cook like Nigella Lawson, I could be a model, singer, actress, business woman, teacher, house wife, nurse, doctor, police woman, ANYTHING."
If I were an average black american girl I'd think "There are a small number of acting and singing stars of colour, so unless I'm really lucky I'm probably going to have turn to crime or be an ass wiggler in a Puff Daddy video."
If we helped sort out the education and the environments most black people grow up in, along with providing them proof that a decent percentage of black people can truly achieve [maybe through P.D. until these other problems are at least half sorted] then Black crime would go down. We're the same, black people are just a different hue, and for that they get shit on from a great height and I for one think it is a little unfair. A few white people don't get a fair deal, well, I hope they would be happy to acknowledge that they are part of something that is for the greater good.
"We're the same, black people are just a different hue"
Not quite true, whites are to blacks as golden retrievers are to rottweilers. Whites and blacks have different traits, it's more than just color, we evolved differently based on location. If what you said was true, then what about albino blacks? They are white yet considered black.
"i hate racism and i think it is fine to hate racism."
Let's replace 'racism' with a variable: "I hate x and I think it is fine to hate x." I think you see where I am going with this so I'll stop there.
"I feel that for the greater good of the world and to promote fairness across the board (Black people have been repressed heavily in the past and although the law says they aren't now, they clearly are."
For a long time I've been taught two negatives don't make a positive. Besides, a lot of white money is going into welfare to help support blacks, and now we have affirmative action helping blacks. Also the past is the past, here is a quote I came up with:
Despite the fact that blacks nowadays have never been slaves, and we've never been slave owners, we have to correct what our forefathers (people who we had no control over) did to their forefathers (something they themselves never experienced personally). - 6/16/2007
"What i'm saying is the black people who have put in a lot of work often dont get what they deserve because a white guy with every single privilage in the world gets the jobs ahead of him"
I have a problem with this, if affirmative action helped poor people I might have been willing to support it, MAYBE... because why should a poor black man get the job over a poor white man that's smarter to him if they are both living in the same bad conditions?
"If I were an average black american girl I'd think..."
We have plenty of great black actors such as Morgan Freeman, Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, and Denzel Washington. We have more black politicians these days such as Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice. I kind of want to go off on a tangent about the hypocrisy and double standards of BET, black history month, and black-only clubs, but I'll stop.
"If I came from the ghetto, was surrounded by gangs, went to a shitty school that taught me nothing and was full of disruptive students, recieved no help from anyone I cannot honestly say that I too wouldnt turn to crime."
An equal amount of whites, maybe even more whites (population-wise speaking, not percentage) than blacks, live in bad conditions, and are less likely to kill each other. Jesse Jackson said himself "i can be walking down the street in jackson,ms at 2:00am,hear footsteps behind me,and be relieved to see a white man behind me."
"We're the same, black people are just a different hue"
Okay, skull structure and muscle definition might be different too but they still have the capacity to be as intellegente as a white person.
"i hate racism and i think it is fine to hate racism."
I see no problem with this. Lets replace racism with evil. I hate evil and think it is fine to hate evil. I'm fine with that.
"or a long time I've been taught two negatives don't make a positive. Besides, a lot of white money is going into welfare to help support blacks, and now we have affirmative action helping blacks. Also the past is the past, here is a quote I came up with:
Despite the fact that blacks nowadays have never been slaves, and we've never been slave owners, we have to correct what our forefathers (people who we had no control over) did to their forefathers (something they themselves never experienced personally). - 6/16/2007"
So black people are treated equally now are they? they don't suffer due to their race. They do. it's a fact. Fuck slavery, it's got nothing to do with that. We can't turn back the clock and undo the bad that has happened to black people so sadly a few white people might not get some jobs - boo fucking hoo. Their suffering will be nothing compared to the suffering of black people of the past and probably not even the present.
"I have a problem with this, if affirmative action helped poor people I might have been willing to support it, MAYBE... because why should a poor black man get the job over a poor white man that's smarter to him if they are both living in the same bad conditions?" - the chances are the black guy IS living in worse conditions hence why affirmative action exists. If more black people on a whole were earning average money and living in average housing it wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be talking about this now.
"We have plenty of great black actors such as Morgan Freeman, Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, and Denzel Washington. We have more black politicians these days such as Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice. I kind of want to go off on a tangent about the hypocrisy and double standards of BET, black history month, and black-only clubs, but I'll stop."
For the amount of black people in your country that is hardly representative, nor is it a thing (with politicians) that's happened for so long. And not to be crude Colin Powell is the whitest black man in the world. As for acting, it's a niche that most kids have no chance of achieving. We need black actors to play black roles. We need more black scientists, librarians, darts players - it needs to be across the board. As for having black history month, what's wrong with it? Taking pride in your heritage. That's fine. Black only clubs aren't such a good thing BUT they exist because they know outside of these situations they'll experience prejudice so it's understandable. Sowhere to go to not get looked at funny or called a nigga by a racist.
"An equal amount of whites, maybe even more whites (population-wise speaking, not percentage) than blacks, live in bad conditions, and are less likely to kill each other. Jesse Jackson said himself "i can be walking down the street in jackson,ms at 2:00am,hear footsteps behind me,and be relieved to see a white man behind me.""
1. I'm not sure the same amount do, but i'll accept it as fact as it's your country and you're more likely to know than me. However, percentages are important. They turn to crime cos they see no way out. They know that 90% of their race live in the ghetto, the whites have the role models and stuff i've talked about. Jesse Jackson would be more scared because of the statistics. I, however, have never had one single problem with a black person but have been bullied and beaten up by many a white person. As for your early rape comment - over 90% of rapes go unreported so who knows how many whites and blacks rape who? No-one.
Anyway, we differ, and i see no point in continuing this. We are both not going to sway. I still think if we should be equal and if we were all on a level playing field to start with most jobs would be split about 50-50 (well not 50-50 because there would be asia people and hispanic people etc etc) blacks and whites in each situation. You are perfectly entitled to your own opinion.
[quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite]I'll stop, but one thing needs to be addressed... what does this:
"Colin Powell is the whitest black man in the world"
mean?[/quote]
That of all the black people there are in the whole world he has the palest skin. In fact it wasn't until i was told he was black (not just now, btw) that i knew. I couldn't see it by just looking. Him being pale isn't relevant but it is amusing, in a way, that the black people with political power look white. But it was a pointless, throw away comment.
I am a poor white male that lived in the gang/drug infested ghettos of one of americas 25 most dangerous cities. I strongly believe affirmative action to be racist. Mainly because its cost me good jobs in the past, so the companies could meet come quota. Other than that though... It's better today than its ever been. Everything is starting to balanceo out. But also take into consideration one thing, why should I need to participate in affirmative action? My great great grandfather died to free the slaves... You know, other than that.... Hey. I don't mind black history month, I'd much rather it be a day, like everything else in the US. I also strongly support martin luther king jr day, because I have off. Give me malcolm x day off too. It'll be pretty cool.
It is balancing out and that is a good thing - once it is balanced fairly affermative action can fuck off. Affirmative action is racist but it is there to restore a balance. It is a shame that you have had to suffer for it but without it black people would have suffered because of their colour. Your ancestors died to free them, which is great. You didn't, however, you missed out on some work. It's a sad state of affairs but we have to pay for what came before us, sadly. We are paying for the mistakes of others, but black people would be paying for nothing. I understand the arguments against it, but i am currently for it.
I understand why Malcolm X was militant because he was being shat on. I'd have been angry if i were him. But i agree that it wasn't the correct way of going about it, but nothing seemed to be working so he tried the militant angle, and i understand why. MLK was inspirational, but he was also an adulterer - so no one is perfect.
"It's a sad state of affairs but we have to pay for what came before us, sadly."
No we don't, why should I pay for someone in the past did who just shares the (according to you) "hue" as me? So because the guys who had slaves were the same color as me, it's my fault?
"We are paying for the mistakes of others, but black people would be paying for nothing."
What do you mean paying for nothing? Are the schools they are attending getting textbooks that say "2+2 = 3"? Are the teachers bums that didn't get the proper credentials? Are their white people down in Harlem stopping blacks from advancing? No, it's the blacks killing each other, it's not whites doing it.
"I understand why Malcolm X was militant because he was being shat on. I'd have been angry if i were him."
If he had the power he would have probably became the black Hitler. If you think for a minute that Malcolm X wouldn't have killed every white person if he could, you are mistaken.
I cannot be bothered any more every time i say something you are gonna push your right wing, blacks are treated equally, P.D. is pointless attitude on me. That is fair enough, have your opinion, i just dont want to argue about this anymore. I could reply to the things you've just said, but it wouldn't change your mind,a nd what you would say in reply wouldnt change mine. I am completely fine with the fact you think P.D/A.A is a bad idea, I used to think that when i was younger, but i've changed my mind. I dont happen to believe that blacks are killing each other in harlem because that is what black people do, nor do i think there are more reported black rapes because that is what blacks are like - i think that that would be stereotyping/maybe racist. I'm not saying you are racist, please do not take this as me suggeting you are - you have black friends yadda yadda. All I'm saying is I am centre-left in my political views you seem a little more centre-right/right in your views. I'm sure we both hope that one day the world is colourblind and black people and white people are treated as individuals with individual flaws and positives. Until then I am happy for PD/AA to go ahead and you are not.
And maybe Malcom X would have ended up a black dictator had he had the power, we'll never know. If he did do that it'd be because he was not mentally strong enough to cope with being called a nigger and not being able to get a good standard of living. I'm not sure i would cope that well myself.
Black schools in poor areas - the uncontrollable naughty kids are making it impossible, probably, for anyone else to progress. Running a school is hard and i dont envy anyone working within schools in those circumstances. But I completely understand your POV i just dont feel the same.
Let us get back to talking about how great wrestling games can be and how much Acclaim sucked shit through a straw.
I hope you take this as a truce. I don't see the point in us arguing anymore - we both have differing points of view and, at the end of the day, our opinions on this matter will not change a damn thing.
You aren't offending me, I'm taking this as a friendly debate.
"I cannot be bothered any more every time i say something you are gonna push your right wing,"
I'm actually not right wing, In fact I share more views with the leftwing. I consider myself independent, I hate Bush, I wanted Nader to win (obviously knew he wouldn't, I'm not niave), now want Ron Paul to win. I think the republicans are stupid and the liberals are pussies.
As a black man (no, I'm not really blue, :P) I agree with the Malcolm X comment. He was a militant racist dick. He did nothing but set us back as a people in my honest opinion. I just don't believe in an eye for an eye. Well, not two or three generations later. Although I'll admit I've witnessed my fair share of racism here and here, I've been on this planet for 24 years and it makes me sick to hear blacks in my generation citing slavery and the 60's as means to an end, giving them the authority to adequately "do unto others" if you will. It's like shut up and shit down, man! I get that you're angry that your ancestors were treated as such, but what are you going to do about it several hundred years after the fact? You weren't born at the time, and the only way you know of it is through old ghost stories and movies. I'm not saying it never happened but come on now.
Now, I also think AA is crap. I don't believe ANY individual regardless of colour should be given a position over someone less qualified. And although I do agree that there are sometimes where I feel if I were white that I'd have had such an opportunity, I still do not feel that this is an excuse. I mean when you get down to it really, affirmative action is like having two kids fighting on the playground and one says, "No, you always get a turn!! I have no idea how to use that toy, but I want a turn because you always have it." Now, I know that's fudging it a bit but that I believe, is basically what it seems.
I also know that we are not equal. But do rich blacks ever come out and speak against such injustice unless they're broke or close to it? No!! Why? They're too busy enjoying their money but they'll gladly come on TV and tell the poor about how hard they have it.
Speaking of which, I was watching The View today with the wife, and this discussion came up that the world is getting too money hungry. And even those with money are clamoring for more money and how sickening it is that people aren't content anymore with just being well off. That everyone wants to be at the level where they have so much money 'they can roll in it'. But here we have four of the highest paid women on TV, complaining about greed in society. How much are you all worth again? Oh yeah, you make more in one episode than I'll see in the next five years at this rate. You have it so hard.
[quote][cite] dratsab:[/cite]I heard U2 apparently made a song about rich people being greedy. U2, by the way, is ranked number 4 in the highest paid celebrities list.[/quote]
I dislike Bono because he is always hooting his own horn, BUT just because you earn the most doesnt mean you are the richest - he gives a lot of money and, more importantly, time in to charitable work. He can obviously earn his money back in roaylties but he cant get his time back. He keeps a lot of his riches for himself but he probably feels that he has earned it because he has entertained millions and given up his right to privacy. I still dislike him...I think it's something to do with his sunglasses. And I don't like his music.
Again, I don't agree with the biased racist approach, but I respect his beliefs. Of course as you said earlier about Malcolm X ("he had a right to be angry) this guy also has the right to be angry, correct? He brings up those statistics I mentioned, as well as talking about the exaggeration of black problems.